Comments on: A personal view of the world is NOT the mark of a spoiled generation http://flowingmotion.jojordan.org/2010/07/13/a-personal-view-of-the-world-is-not-the-mark-of-a-spoiled-generation/ blog of jo jordan Sat, 04 Feb 2012 00:18:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jo Jordan http://flowingmotion.jojordan.org/2010/07/13/a-personal-view-of-the-world-is-not-the-mark-of-a-spoiled-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1490 Jo Jordan Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:57:22 +0000 http://flowingmotion.jojordan.org/?p=4590#comment-1490 Hi Cindy I am not sure I said Gen Y write. But they write in the process of publishing. Quite a lot, I understand, but I've lost the reference. They are just not using the long structured documents we were taught to write and nor are they waiting to be given endorsements or permission from other people. That's not to say their work as publishers and writers is not evaluated by public opinion. Their work lives or dies by the popularity it finds and their skill at distribution. These are skills to learn. What has changed is our role. We all publish. So we all have skills to learn. That's what has changed. Role. Use/non-use of structure. Less dependence on "authority". And the youngsters intuit these changes. They are doing it already. Thanks for commenting. I appreciate it. The sociability of the internet encourages writing and the art of writing is re-writing. That means we must write a first draft first. People who read first drafts contribute a lot. Thanks. Jo Hi Cindy

I am not sure I said Gen Y write. But they write in the process of publishing. Quite a lot, I understand, but I’ve lost the reference.

They are just not using the long structured documents we were taught to write and nor are they waiting to be given endorsements or permission from other people.

That’s not to say their work as publishers and writers is not evaluated by public opinion. Their work lives or dies by the popularity it finds and their skill at distribution. These are skills to learn.

What has changed is our role. We all publish. So we all have skills to learn. That’s what has changed. Role. Use/non-use of structure. Less dependence on “authority”.

And the youngsters intuit these changes. They are doing it already.

Thanks for commenting. I appreciate it. The sociability of the internet encourages writing and the art of writing is re-writing. That means we must write a first draft first. People who read first drafts contribute a lot. Thanks.

Jo

]]> By: cindy http://flowingmotion.jojordan.org/2010/07/13/a-personal-view-of-the-world-is-not-the-mark-of-a-spoiled-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-1488 cindy Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:21:34 +0000 http://flowingmotion.jojordan.org/?p=4590#comment-1488 you say Gen Y writes. My assumption is, reading, speaking and writing are the 3 skills of language usage or learning. Writing is a skill that most difficult to master because it is in black-and-white and many people is afraid to put things down in ink. My thinking is, there seems to be so many writing going on is because these days we can read for FREE by just going to the interne and read blogs. Long time ago one would have to buy a newspaper, book etc. AND that involve money (printing, payment to the writter etc.) I do not think it has anything to do with because Gen Y writes more. They seems to publish more, but not really. I have many more reasons to argue my thoughts but it will take more time to come up with careful arguements therefore will not write here. Just don't have the time. Take yourself as an example, one point in time you would be writing down your thoughts on a sketch book, or diary. NOBODY would get the chance to read your writing, because as long as it is not publish in print, nobody can find it. Right? I think we, the older generation, are overwhelm with the changes and forget the past. Take for example social medias. Perhaps situation has improved. But most people/ organization seems to think that IF I BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. They generally do not have a 'website manager or client manager' to oversee the sites, to promote ideas, to bring people together ... just would be the same as any club in the physical environment. That to me always is the most strange phenomena of management. They would spend tons of money AND ignore that end-users are still human being? Human needs, behaviour, don't change much from one communication media to the other. . The same goes for e-Learning. Well, we think that IF we put all the information/course materials on the web, students would AUTOMATICALLY go and read and learn. Nobody seems to pay much attention to class-size for manageable learning, or effective learning environment is very important, etc. etc. Do human being really learn differently just because the tools are different? Do we really grow horns because now internet is available? For example right now, I am very sure I would have a much more interesting conversations if we sit in the same room, and the barrier of writing and typing is taken away. My thinking would flow so much more quicker and 'enriched' by your input. Instant input. My chain of thoughts is disrupted and slide to nothingness on this particular topic once I stop. To get back to this same level of fluency of my thoughts on this particular topic, is going to take time, and distracted by other factors. Just some of my random thoughts you say Gen Y writes. My assumption is, reading, speaking and writing are the 3 skills of language usage or learning. Writing is a skill that most difficult to master because it is in black-and-white and many people is afraid to put things down in ink. My thinking is, there seems to be so many writing going on is because these days we can read for FREE by just going to the interne and read blogs. Long time ago one would have to buy a newspaper, book etc. AND that involve money (printing, payment to the writter etc.) I do not think it has anything to do with because Gen Y writes more. They seems to publish more, but not really. I have many more reasons to argue my thoughts but it will take more time to come up with careful arguements therefore will not write here. Just don’t have the time.

Take yourself as an example, one point in time you would be writing down your thoughts on a sketch book, or diary. NOBODY would get the chance to read your writing, because as long as it is not publish in print, nobody can find it. Right?

I think we, the older generation, are overwhelm with the changes and forget the past. Take for example social medias. Perhaps situation has improved. But most people/ organization seems to think that IF I BUILD IT THEY WILL COME. They generally do not have a ‘website manager or client manager’ to oversee the sites, to promote ideas, to bring people together … just would be the same as any club in the physical environment. That to me always is the most strange phenomena of management. They would spend tons of money AND ignore that end-users are still human being? Human needs, behaviour, don’t change much from one communication media to the other. .

The same goes for e-Learning. Well, we think that IF we put all the information/course materials on the web, students would AUTOMATICALLY go and read and learn. Nobody seems to pay much attention to class-size for manageable learning, or effective learning environment is very important, etc. etc. Do human being really learn differently just because the tools are different? Do we really grow horns because now internet is available? For example right now, I am very sure I would have a much more interesting conversations if we sit in the same room, and the barrier of writing and typing is taken away. My thinking would flow so much more quicker and ‘enriched’ by your input. Instant input. My chain of thoughts is disrupted and slide to nothingness on this particular topic once I stop. To get back to this same level of fluency of my thoughts on this particular topic, is going to take time, and distracted by other factors.

Just some of my random thoughts

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